When Will the Catholic Church Face Reality?

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"Do you agree with making abortion legal?"

I heard these words announced by a Catholic catechist in a meeting at the San Roque Church in Caloocan. The meeting was about the upcoming first communion of my younger sibling. These events are still clear in my mind up to now. I was listening then to details of the communion rites. I was asked by my mother to go in her place as there were plenty of work at home, and since I had some free time, I decided to go.

The meeting had started when I arrived. I could not help but feel uneasy when I saw that most of those present were parents and older than me. I was also worried they would think that I had married at a very young age. But I shook those thoughts away and instead listened to the explanation of the woman catechist. At first I got sleepy from listening to her. Then she got my complete attention when I heard her question.

This was her question: "Do you agree with making abortion legal?" She also explained that abortion means expelling a child from the womb. Then she asked the parents if they agree with aborting an innocent child. Of course they all answered "No." And so she added that if that was the case, then they should all sign a document aimed at trashing the legalization of abortion and the RH Bill.

Because of what I heard, I became interested in challenging her about the relationship of abortion to the controversial RH Bill. Controversial because the bill has gained the influential Catholic Church as its number one opponent, plus Pro-Life organizations who claim that they are indeed "pro-life". To challenge her views I asked, "Is abortion included in the RH Bill?" I was greatly surprised when she replied "yes." I laughed silently because I knew it was a brazen lie. The catechist was trying to convince us that abortion would be legalized if the RH Bill gets approved. Clearly a lie. Why? Because the RH Bill has nothing about changing the law on abortion. One more thing, the RH Bill aims to provide adequate medical services to those who had had an abortion which, due to its illegal status, expose many women to life-threatening risks especially if they are left unattended.

What the catechist said got me thinking. Do the church leaders understand, or do they have sufficient information about the RH Bill's contents? Do they really care? Or maybe they are simply ignoring the real situation of many of our fellow citizens today.

In spite all these, I have not yet lost hope that church leaders and all of us will wake up to the current situation we face. We only need to open not just our minds, but our hearts as well about the social realities of our times.

- Bernice

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hmm

may mga kristyanong sundalo na pumapatay trabaho nila yun, anu kinaiba nun sa abortion, in terms of religious aspects?

confused kasi ako ngayon..

Philippines

THINK tames the tongue

We can never think as long as our tongue grinds and chimes irreversible harsh condemning prejudices and barbaric discourse. For Bernice my advice is THINK .... Ask yourself this words which I learned from Fr. Fidel Bagayaua on his sunday Homily: T is it True? H- Is it Helpful? I - Informatively Interesting? N - is it Necessary? and K - is it Kind? Pause for a while and read all the comments and reactions sent to you then review the RH BIll by yourself considering the THINK technique and see for yourself who is snooring in lies? Take my advice dear NO TO RH BILL> Let us strengthen the implementation of the existing Bills and Illiminate Corruption that I will agree with. Mabuhay and ating Bayang Sinilangan. Nagigising na ang mga natutulog sa kasinungalingan... natututu nang mangalay sa pananahimik at mag simulang mabuhay na makabuluhan.

Korea Republic of

catholic church and facing reality

hello bernice. you asked whether the Catholic Church leaders have read the rh bill. yes, they have, and other ordinary catholics like me. may we also ask if you have read the position of the church, on its reasons for forbidding artificial contraceptives? in the eyes of the church, sex must be open to the transmission of life, and not to be used as an end in itself for the sake of pleasure. the mentality that artificial contraceptives create is antithetical to life, as it leads to a society that thinks of people concerned only with themselves. the unstated message of the rh bill is this: as long as you can escape pregnancy, it is all right to have sex; that there is no need for you practice discipline and self-control, of chastity and fidelity. there is no need, because you can escape the consequences. this is the definition of responsibility by those who favor the rh bill. there is no mention of dignity, of fidelity and self-respect. a twisted idea that ignores the end of man which is more than this world. many of them attack the church, but the church only says that the way is not the evasion of responsibility, but in the acceptance of our end which is in the light of our image in God; that it is possible for us to control ourselves, to rise beyond our animality. many attack the church saying it should take care of the poor--and is this not what the church has been doing? many of the orphanages, hospitals, schools for the poor are managed by the church, with little support from the government. go to any squatter area and you will find our priests and nuns living among them, suffering with them, dying with them--and do you know that the bishops are the ones behind these people? you do a disservice to the church to which you belong by calling her a liar. please, please. read what she teaches: it is beautiful. who do you think will benefit should the rh bill be passed? not the poor because the medicines they need will have to be used to purchase condoms and pills which are now labeled essential. we have so many things we need and our leaders have to focus on providing condoms! you ask, where is the church? and we ask, do you give money to the church to provide these services? is it not the task of the state to provide these things? give the church the taxes you pay to the state and gladly she will give all these and more! but the role of the church is to teach, to remind you that you are born into the dignity of a child of God. thus, you must live like one. what are the consequences of the rh bill? have you read the studies conducted about the results where a contraceptive mentality has taken root? europe is dying, because no one would like to have children: they are a burden to an individualistic and hedonistic lifestyle.

please do not call the church a liar. in the eyes of God, to remove any possibility for a fertilized ovum to live and grow is abortion, is almost equivalent to murder. to use the body of another for the sake of pleasure alone is for animals, not for men. the ones who will profit from the sale of pills and condoms are the manufacturers who sell you the idea that the number of filipinos is the problem, and that sex without responsibility is all right. how much is the pork barrel of each congressman? how much is lost by corruption? give these to the poor and you will have enough to build hospitals and schools, and medicine and a quality of life which you think you can achieve by limiting the number of births by immoral means. do not call the church a liar. she is your mother, and she desires only what is good for you.

Philippines

isinilang ako na Katoliko,

isinilang ako na Katoliko, niyakap at dinibdib ang mga pangaral ng aking mga magulang....ang abortion ay pagkitil sa buhay ng walang kamalay malay, ito ay malaking kasalanan sa mata ng Dyos....Ikaw bilang isang kristiyano masisikmura mo ba na magpa abortion ang isa sa mahal mo sa buhay...sino ba ang makikinabang sa mga rh bill na ito? gobyerno or isang sektor ng gov. para sa akin NO TO RH BILL.....

Philippines

re: isinilang ako na Katoliko

If all women who do not want to get pregnant now or ever can use modern contraceptive methods, abortions in the Philippines will be reduced by 500,000--close to 90% of the estimated total in 2008. See the study here. Many anti-RH groups and individuals use the abortion argument as a cover for the religious doctrine of Humanae Vitae that underpin their opposition to RH. For example, it is ridiculous to associate tubal ligation with abortion, yet anti-RH groups oppose tubal ligation (sterilization). Humanae Vitae disapproves of sterilization on religious grounds, but because it is hard to justify why religious doctrine should become law, the abortion argument is used instead. 

Be honest. You are against RH because Humanae Vitae disapproves of artificial contraception.

Philippines

gumising ka sa katotohanan

gumising ka sa katotohanan ineng bago mo pagsisihan ang lahat! NO to RH!!!!

Philippines

rh bill

gumising ka na rin sa katotohanan na marami nang teen agers ang nabubuntis at nagkakapamilya at an early age !! face the reality !! ano ang ginagawa ng simbahan ?? sila ang sinusunod nyo ?? WALA dba ?? puro lang salita ?? ang pamahalaan , they are trying to impose possible solutions to the BIGGEST PROBLEMS of our country today !! at yun ay RH BILL for the over population !!!!

Philippines

ang realidad at ang

ang realidad at ang katotohanan kailanman ay hindi masasagot ng RH Bill ang maagang pagbubuntis ng isang teenagers. at kung sa tingin ng iba na maiiwasan nya ang responsibilidad gamit ang contraceptive pills para di mabuntis, malaki naman a magiging problema nya sa sakit na breast cancer and paglapot ng dugo dahil sa maagang exposure sa pills na kinokonsedera na isang carcinogen.

c.pio

Korea Republic of

re: gumising ka sa katotohanan

bakit tulog po ba kami?

walang dapat pagsisishan. baka mas pagsisishan ng isang "INENG" kung ipagpatuloy nya ang pagbubuntis ng hindi pa sya handa, kung hindi sya makakpagtapos ng pag-aaral.

Philippines

.re: gumising ka sa katotohanan

so parang sinasabi nyo na kun ghindi pa ready KAILANGAN ipabort?madaling matuto ng responsibilidad,kesa nmn sa pagbayaran mo habang buhay ang pinatay mong buhay.

Philippines

Hindi ka pala handa, so huwag

Hindi ka pala handa, so huwag kang magsex... Hintaying mo ang tamang panahon. It means kung may RH bill na... pwede ka na magsex kahit kailan mo gusto? Kawawa naman ang mga "INENG". Akala ko ba ito ang pinaglalaban ng mga Women Rights Advocates? Kung isasasabatas na ito, maaabuso pa lalo ang mga babae dahil "PWEDE NAMAN PALANG MAGSEX KAHIT KAILAN DAHIL DI NAMAN MABUBUTIS DAHIL YAN ANG TURO NG RH BILL SA AKIN?

Philippines

Hahaha... nakakatawa ka,

Hahaha... nakakatawa ka, INENG. Napakaidealistic mo. Kung ang solusyon lang naman para dito ay abstinence ng kabataan, eh di dapat wala nang teenage pregnancy. Bakit meron pa rin? KASI, dahil sa turo ninyong mga katoliko, ang sex, forbidden iyan, exotic. Bawal. At alam naman natin ang mga kabataan, may pagkarebelde... panahon kung saan maari na nilang gawin at "malaman" ika nga kung anong meron sa mga bagay na ito na ipinagbabawal ng kanilang mga magulang.

Hindi naman ipropromote ng RH bill ang free sex with no consequences, dapat kasi, maturuan ang kabataan hinggil sa mga bagay na ito. Kailangan na ng sex education. At hinde, hindi ako naniniwala na kaya nila itong gawin ng ilang magulang sa kanilang anak. Alam mo naman konserbatibo tayong mga Pilipino tungkol sa usapang sex, lalo na ang mga babae. Naiimagine mo ba na tinuturuan ng nanay niya ang kanyang anak na babae tungkol sa mga pribadong bagay na tulad nito? Paminsan nga, pati lalake hindi nakakausap ng mga magulang tungkol dito, dahil nga sa bawal ito sa kanila. Kaya saan nila nakikita at nalalaman ang mga bagay na ito? Sa mga pornograpiya at mga baluktot na paniniwala ng iba hinggil sa sex, na ang mga babae ay mga puta at pwedeng pwedeng kantutin ng lalaki. Kung matuturuan lamang ang mga kabataan kung ano talaga ang sex at ang maaring maging consequences nito, maliban sa ito ay masama, bawal at kung anu-ano pa, maaring mapag-isip-isip sila bago ito gawin.

Philippines

Kitid ng utak mo, sinong may

Kitid ng utak mo, sinong may sabi sa yo na di kayang ituro ng mga magulang ang ukol sa sex? At sinong kati-liko ang may sabi sa yo na ganon na lang ka konserbatibo ang teachings ng catholics? Ang itinuro ng simbahan ay sa pamilya dapat magsimula mga values na nararapat malaman ng mga kabataan lalo na usaping sex. Kaya nga nariyan ang responsible parenthood module na naglalayong turuan ang mga magulang kasama na doon ang turuan sila paano nila turuan ang kanilang mga anak. Usaping values ito at kinankailangan ng mahaba-habang proseso na nangangailangan ng sapat na panahon at collaboration ng mga educators both from the government, the church and other sectors who are concern with education.

Doon mismo ang problema kasi si Satanas di hilig sa values formation process mas mabuti yong "Kaalaman" about sex na medyo instant na di na kailangan ang values kundi so called kaalaman on "SAFE SEX" then go.

For responsible parents not necessarily like you (dahil maaring busy ka masyado e at maaring wala kang time para sa yong mga anak para dito), ganito ang dapat approach to children. "Anak, sa murang edad na sampu maaring nariyan na ang maagang kamulatan tungkol sa relasyong babae at lalake. sa ngayon maaring nariyan na ang pagkakagusto. Ngunit dapat malaman mo na mahirap pang intindihin yon sa ngayon ngunit dadating ang panahon na kayo'y magdadalaga na at magkakagusto, dapat maintindihan mo muna ang mga bagay-bagay tungkol dyan at sana di sa kaalamang galing sa napapanood mo sa tv o sa ibang mga tao dahil nandito kaming mga magulang mo para tulongan kang maintindihan ang mga bagay na yan". Constant teachings from the parents. And this requires time. In the profane world parents do not anymore find time for their children. That is the reality you want to let us see. And yes we see that, but to say so we will be into instant, no way for we should not let our moral values set aside to paved way for these Satan-inspired world agenda engineered by WHO and cohorts- RHB, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, EUTHANASIA, and DIVORCE

Philippines

... kayang turuan ng

... kayang turuan ng magulang?

Tanong ko lang, bakit may mga teenagers na naeenganyong makipagsex kung alam nila ang consequences at kung naturuan sila ng ayos ng mga magulang na sinasabi mo?

Have you asked others where they get their information about sex? To tell you the truth, this has once perturbed my mind and I did a little embarassing question and answer to most of my open-minded friends. More of them got their info, mostly twisted and perverse forms, from their other friends, almost few answered that their parents vaguely mentioned it to them.

My mother's a full time house wife, yet never once in my teenager life she mentions it to me. And don't f*cking tell that she is a careless mother for not telling me, for all my whole life she supports me until now. She steered me from the pitfalls of adolescence like drugs and bad friends. But never she had the "talk" with me; only vague warnings of stories of teenagers getting pregnant. Of course, teenage years are the times where you get interested in the opposite sex, and it took me a while to filter out sorts of the correct information about what sex really is from those twisted views of some and in the internet.

Alam ko na nag-iisa lang ako, at hindi ko nirerepresenta ang mayoridad, pero, paano naman ang mga katulad kong minoridad na hindi pinalad mabigyan ng tamang impormasyon at sa halip ay kailangang mangalap mula sa mga baluktot na paniniwala ukol sa sex? Na ang sex ay bawal, masarap, at para kang nakaexctasy? Nakakaenganyo para sa mga teenagers na syempre, paminsan ay naikokonekta sa salitang rebelde.

At saka people, tignan naman natin ang mahihirap ha? Sila kasi ang mayoridad na nag-aanak ng lampas-lampas sa gusto nila. Kahit nabigyan na sila ng kaukulang seminar tunkgol sa NFP, nakakabasa parin ako ng mga kwento na kulang pa talaga iyon.

Kung sasabihin mong, kasalanan naman nila iyon! Anak sila ng anak!... ang tanong ba, gusto ba talaga ng mag-asawa? Gusto ba talaga ng BABAE? Lagi naman babae ang nadedehado eh. Minsan may nabasa ako dito sa website na ito, isang artikulong naglalaman ng kwento ng isang mahirap na babae, nabugbog ng asawa dahil tumanggi siyang makipagtalik sa takot niyang mabuntis at madagdagan ang kanyang pakakainin. Iyan ang isang problema ng NFP, kung ang lalaki ay di nakikicooperate, wala na. Bagsak na lahat ang pundasyon ng NFP. Wala ng kwenta kung kumuha ka man ng temperatura, icheck mo kung fertile ka na, kung hindi makikisama ang lalake, eh di wala rin. At aminin natin, hindi lahat ng lalaki ay romantikong katulad ng mga nasa telenovela. May mga lalaking dadahasin ang babae kapag hindi niya naibigay ang gusto. Maikokonekta natin ito sa patriarchal na sistema ng ating pamilya. Kaya nga nagsisilbing women empowerment ang pagaapruba sa RH bill, kasi sa ganitong panahon, maiiwasan ang panggigipit sa mga babae laban sa mga lalaking mananamantala sa kanila.

Philippines

ikalawa, according na sayo na

ikalawa, according na sayo na lalaki ang namimilit at may kwento pa na isang babae ang nabugbog dahil ayaw makipagtalik. Tanong ko sayo, RH bill ba ang solusyon o ang palakasin ang kaalaman nya tungkol sa mga karapatan nyang mag-sabi ng hindi? karapatan nyan irespeto?

basahin mo ang artikulong sinulat ko (c.pio PAGPATAY AT PAGLABAG SA KARAPATAN NG KABABAIHAN)

Parang ganito yan sa simpleng salita. Dahil binubogbog ka tuwing aayaw ka kailangan ng RH bill. itutulad ko sa korapsyon (Dahil hindi maialis ang korapsyon dapat gawin legal na) Mali di ba? san ang woman empowerment doon?

Korea Republic of

that's why when a male and a

that's why when a male and a female committed each other, they have to respect each other, work hand in hand. in RH bill LALAki lang ang mag-eenjoy babae ang magkakaroon ng problema (read my statement about woman's rights c.pio) secondly, in a contraceptive mentality, woman is only a mere object of a male dominancy. Gusto mo ba na ang anak mong babae galawin ng kung sino sinong lalaki at sabihing di bale di naman sya mabubuntis.

Korea Republic of

kindly read the HB4244 Sec.

kindly read the HB4244 Sec. 3-i. pinaganda lang ang mga salita pero ayun tantamount pa din sa abortion. still implied na inaayunan ang abortion. At kelan pa nangyari na ang Sex Education ay nagturo ng values formation sa mga bata eh kasama kaya dito ang pagtuturo ng paggamit ng contraceptives. at tulad dun nung sec 3-i tinuturuan ang mga kabataan na malayang makipagtalik sa kanilang mga partner sapagkat may paraan naman para kontrolin ang unwanted pregnancies. sorry but i have a sex education subject but i just found it not attractive to me. mas mabuti pa pala talaga yung ituro ng mga magulang mismo kesa sa ibang tao matutunan.

Kindly read Sec 28-2 (Prohibited Acts) - sa bahaging ito kitang-kita na kahit sabihing illegal ang abortion ayon sa bill na ito ay binibigyan at ginagarantiyahan nito ng karapatan ang sinuman na gawin ang gusto nila kung halimbawa ay gusto nila magpalaglag lalo na kung ang pregnancy ay bunga ng isang krimen. binibigyan ng karapatan ang ina subalit ang nasa sinapupunan nito ay pinawawalang-halaga. at ipinagmamalaki pa ng bill na ito na kung kayo ay mag-asawa at dumating sa punto na hindi kayo magkasundo ukol sa usaping ito ang tao kagustuhan mismo ng taong gusto magkaroon ng procedures ang masusunod at pinawawalang-halaga din ang naisin ng kanyang kabiyak.

at ayon sa isang kakilala na nasa kongreso, nais na bigyan ng humigit-kumulang sa 1B Pesos na budget ang batas na ito taun-taon... sobrang kapal na ng mukha nila. para ano?! mas marami ang nagugutom, maraming tiwangwang na lupang pansakahan, maraming walang tirahan, maraming namamatay sa sakit at halos hindi makapagpagamot, maraming hindi makabili ng gamot dahil sa sobrang mahal, maraming hindi nakakapag-aral kung saan taun-taon na lang tuwing magbubukas ang klase lagi nilang problema ang kakulangan ng guro, kakulangan ng aklat, ng mga gamit sa eskwelahan at napakarami ng walng trabaho. ngayon nais pa nilang unahin itong walang kwentang batas na ito. nais pang akuin ng gobyerno ang mga bagay-bagay na tulad ng contraceptives para ano turuan silang lalong maging tamad... mag-isip sila. bigyan nila ng mapagkakakitaan ang mga tao upang maging produktibo ito. ang TAO ang pinakamainam na lakas at kayamanan ng isang bayan. WALANG OVERPOPULATION... NO TO RH BILL...

Philippines

... ipinahihiwatig mo ba OK

... ipinahihiwatig mo ba OK lang na masira ang buhay ng babaeng ni-rape, na maaring natraumatize na sa mismong pang-rarape, eh maaring manganib ang buhay dahil sa pagdadala ng batang hindi naman niya ginusto? Alam mo ba na nakakatakot ang sinabi mo; dapat lang ba tanggapin ng babae na nabuntis siya sa pangrarape, na ang fetus na nakikihigop ng kanyang nutrisyon ay "regalo mula sa Diyos"? Gaano na lamang katrauma na idudulot ng mismong pagbubuntis at panganganak sa isang bagay na hindi niya ginusto. Ano ba ang akala ninyo sa aming mga babae? Mga lalagyan lamang para sa fetus?!

Saan ba talaga nagisismula ang buhay? Ano ba ang mas importante, ang buhay ng mga babaeng napipiligro sa panganganak dahil sa kanilang di-makapagpigil na mga asawa, at talagang masasabi mong may buhay na dapat pangalagaan, o ang fetus, na hanggang ngayon ay isa paring malaking debate kung saan ba nagiging buhay ang isang "fetus".

Sa totoo lang, hindi ako papayag na once na buntis na ako, ang mahalaga lang sa akin ay ang batang dinadala ko. Parang iyan ang pinahihiwatig mo eh.

Para bagang, "Okey lang na mamatay ka, basta't wag yung batang di mo pa naman pinapanganak."

Philippines

re: kindly read the HB4244

Walang Sec. 3-i sa HB 4244. Baka Sec. 3-9 ang ibig mong sabihin. Eto ang nakasulat: "While this Act recognizes that abortion is illegal and punishable by law, the government shall ensure that all women needing care for post-abortion complications shall be treated and counseled in a humane, non-judgmental and compassionate manner;"

Sinasabi lang na kahit ilegal ang aborsyon, dapat gawing makatao ang pagtrato sa mga pasyente na nagkakakomplikasyon. Ano ba ang gusto mong mangyari, imaltrato ang pasyente? Baka gusto mong panoorin muna ang video documentary na ito bago husgahan ang iba.

Sa budget, may masusing pag-aaral na nagdedetalye na bababa pa ang gastos sa kalusugan ng gobyerno kung mabibigyan ng modern family planning ang lahat ng nangangailangan. Ang matitipid ay magagamit sa iba pang kailangan sa kalusugan, o sa iba pang social expenditures tulad ng inisa-isa mo. Baka gusto mo ding basahin.

Philippines

Sometimes you have to learn

Sometimes you have to learn to read between the lines. I urge you to look beyond the words that is written.
Sometimes the The Catholic Church seem to be backward as some says because of their premise but I personally think that the Catholic Church is addressing the future problems that comes when the RH Bill will be pass. I still think that the RH bill is a very myopic solution of the people who has myopic vission in the senate.

Why make another bill when there is already other bills that will address those issues that the the RH Bill is addressing? What are the chances that this bill will succeed this time? They will only make a door to rob us legally on our taxes.

Philippines

Yes!Because the Church's

Yes!Because the Church's leadership may be conservatives but they are not backward thinkers.

While Father Bernas was positing some doubts with the infallibility of the Church's position over rh bill, he should have consider as well that the Church is neither contesting arguments of the rh proponents based on scientific data esp. on the issue "abortion" namely "the use of contraceptives is not immoral unless they are being used to terminate life." That there are contraceptives that are not abortifacients among others. But while the Church is not contesting said arguments,her position remains i.e that contraceptives even if they are intended only to prevent from conceiving is already immoral because sexual intercourse is an act in fulfillment of God's design i.e reproduction.Thus, sexual intercourse as far as its original purpose is concerned is pro-creation, and is therefore pro-life.

The problem with man is that, using the argument of "THE HUMAN NATURE", man is asserting that sex is one uncontrollable desire. That sex is a fulfillment of this desire.

Anyway whether one is pro or anti, one thing is certain, faith and morals is the business of the Church. To live moral life or immoral life is individual choice.

Forget not, faith is never an opinion unless ones faith in God is out of opinion

CONSERVATIVES - LIBERALISTS

Philippines

I agree with you. masyado

I agree with you. masyado talagang backward and pag-iisip ng iba.

Thailand

reaction to RH bill

1. As expected, the Catholic church will always remain conservative, a bulwark of tradition & sentinel of the the bible. Unfortunately, it is run by men who can't concieve, bear babies & experience the anguish of difficult& traumatic pregnancies. How can women, the core beneficiaries of the RH bill, gain their sympathy? The voice of the Philippine Catholic church remains esoteric, neither offering tangible solutions nor creating a balanced view of our desperate population-related problems.
2. On the section of employers' responsibilities, our lawmakers must consider the financial status of the employers vis-a-vis the country's economy. Additional provision of health care for pregnant employees will surely impinge on the balance sheet of private entities or persons and discourage them from hiring. Does this provision include owners of agricultural lands?
3. Like most laws(should RH bill become a law), how many are truly implemented? Funding, in the context of global economic crisis, will be very limited & impede the efficacy of this bill.

Philippines

Pls read contraceptive

Pls read contraceptive technology it is the family planners bible itself you can read the many side effect af all artificial hormone in which the woman reciave all this or just read the leterature of this contraceptives in which it is not given or informed to the one using this, and pls do not comment if you have not read them as will.

Philippines

I suppose that is written by

I suppose that is written by those "groupies" that are linked with the church?

Then I don't want to read some biased writing how all contraceptives are abortive and should be not used yadda yadda yadda.

I prefer to look for more than one sites, especially those which are unbiased about this things so that I could give a logical comparison.

Philippines

Answer this pls

Will the State provide work during the pregnancy, feed and ensure that the mother has a healthy child ?
Will the state raise the child after its birth?
Will the State bear the responsibility of the child?
Will the state educate the child till emancipation or college?

The wording of the bill neglects the responsibility that the state assumes by declaring abortion illegal. The Church is hypocritical in supporting a policy that's not sustainable and no longer practical in modern times. Even the humble framer knows how many live stocks can be supported per hector.

Philippines

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